the top rate under bill clinton was 39.6. the logic of limiting tax increases to people over $400,000 in income is that would affect one of the rates. the trading range is between 35 and 39.6 for the top rate. >> laurie, i want to put something up from your article in the washington post. one part got a lot of our attention. i'll read it. as night fall approached top democratic and republican aids shoved the latest proposals between the two leaders offices about 60 steps apart. now for folks who cover washington, they may understand this is how negotiations take place, this is how work gets done. it seemed asinine that these two offices are this close together, the two men are in washington and they are not sitting down in washington having a negotiation, talking face-to-face, you have paperwork going back and forth. is that just how things get done? is it process or a shame as well? >> it's a little -- they were working at yesterday, yeah, it's how things get done. harry reid wasn't at the capital yesterday. mitch mcconnell